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| Xai |
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INDIGO
 
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Traitor's Manual? Are you serious? (lol, probably not but, hey! Just in case?)
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| Fargmania |
| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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We never joke about traitors, citizen. Check out the details in our shop.
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| Xai |
| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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INDIGO
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Wow, cool. Gonna probaly buying the triple book deal then!
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| Danforth |
| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Here's hoping the 96 pages of the Traitor's Manual will be as crammed with brilliance as the XP manual is. It warmed my heart unwrapping my copy of Paranoia, opening it at random and seeing lots and lots of really small print. I don't care what the modernists say, they can keep their arty whitespace, I demand content!
Really pleased to see lots of sourcebook-style material in the lineup. As has been noted elsewhere, the post-Rolston lineup of Paranoia products was kinda module-heavy and further-detail-light. DOA Sector Travelogue was great, though - or was he still line manager when that was published?
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| Costin-U-MOR-6 |
| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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I've got to concur with the layout thing. The rules are crammed full and some people were damning the book for not being pretty, basically. In this instance we got quantity and quality, and they were after fancy fonts and spacing you could park a small car in.
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| Adamantyr |
| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:37 pm Post subject: Paranoia XP |
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I agree. I liked the old style 1st edition manuals, especially with the 2-color print. (Red and black or blue and black.) Okay, so it's not the best organized book... but it's fun to read!
Paranoia XP is a great book just in that you start reading it, and then you realize you went 4-6 pages without reading the funny little computer comments at the bottom of the odd-numbered pages. If an online version of the manual was made, there'd be easter eggs planted everywhere. 
I'm looking forward to the Traitor's Manual, hopefully the "2nd half of October" prediction of Farg's is a far estimate.
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| Costin-U-MOR-6 |
| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Allen Varney |
| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.paranoia-live.net/forum/posting.php?mode=reply&t=1013
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| the post-Rolston lineup of Paranoia products was kinda module-heavy and further-detail-light. DOA Sector Travelogue was great, though - or was he still line manager when that was published? |
No, DOA was initiated after Ken Rolston left, in the waning days of the brief Doug Kaufman/Paul Murphy regime but, in practice, under the supervision of West End's untalented director Curtis Smith.
I myself pitched the original proposal for that book, and wrote the "Autocar Garage" entry as a sample. Curtis Smith heavily revised my original idea, making it less content-rich and more fluffy. I bowed out of the project, though I did take time to revise my entry to the new format just so I could collect a small check.
As the product wherein Smith and his henchmen initiated the Secret Society Wars, DOA marks the pivotal moment when the West End PARANOIA line jumped the shark. There were individual worthwhile sections of that book -- I took the Bureaucracy tables for the appendix to the XP rulebook -- but overall I thought it a mediocre effort compared to what I'd originally envisioned. I hope to persuade Mongoose to do a new Sectorbook, unrelated to DOA, sometime in late 2005 or 2006.
By the way, The Traitor's Manual is indeed quite densely packed. Designer Gareth Hanrahan wrote a bunch of extremely funny text. My wife, Beth Fischi, did a standout job on the layout and graphics. I believe most fans here will be pleased. |
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| Adamantyr |
| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Jumping the shark... Fonzie's legacy lives on. *chuckles*
Yeah, DOA sector was a decent supplement, probably the best in the 2nd edition line. What I noticed with 2nd edition was that the rules and background materials became in a subtle fashion more slapstick. When you have power services personnel glowing in the dark and nuclear reactors that look like giant electric tea kettles... blech.
Anyway, looking forward to the Traitor's manual. I'm curious to see if the "Acute Paranoia" societies will appear there. Some of them were decent, but could be explained as a main society splinter-group.
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| Territan |
| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Adamantyr wrote: |
| Jumping the shark... Fonzie's legacy lives on. *chuckles* |
The sad thing is that it's so useful an epithet. Check out the dedicated site to see how widely it's applied these days.
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| Yeah, DOA sector was a decent supplement, probably the best in the 2nd edition line. What I noticed with 2nd edition was that the rules and background materials became in a subtle fashion more slapstick. When you have power services personnel glowing in the dark and nuclear reactors that look like giant electric tea kettles... blech. |
Which is why I equate 1st Edition to "Straight," 2nd Edition to "Classic," and DELETED FOR REASONS OF GOOD TASTE to "Zap" done badly.
I don't think I ever got that supplement, since the books provide a sufficient tapestry on which to build whatever the heck I need. Part of the fun, I find, is seeing what the enterprising GM can cook up from whole cloth, or what sorts of wicked surprises you can spring on the players... but perhaps that's not the best thing to talk about on a board dedicated to hawking the wares. 
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| Allen Varney |
| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm curious to see if the "Acute Paranoia" societies will appear there. Some of them were decent, but could be explained as a main society splinter-group. |
The Traitor's Manual describes many splinter groups within each main society, but none of the Acute Paranoia groups are there. I briefly considered including The Foundation among the main societies in PARANOIA XP, but decided against it (especially after feedback from the aggregated Paranoia-Live.netters). As for the rest, I ruled them out pretty much instantly. I know some GMs have had fun with the Trekkies and N3F, but these are too parodic to match the tone of the new XP edition. I think none of the Acute Paranoia groups are really broadly useful in the way the main societies are. |
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| Danforth |
| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Allen Varney wrote: |
http://www.paranoia-live.net/forum/posting.php?mode=reply&t=1013
I myself pitched the original proposal for (the DOA Sector Travelogue), and wrote the "Autocar Garage" entry as a sample. Curtis Smith heavily revised my original idea, (...) overall I thought it a mediocre effort compared to what I'd originally envisioned. I hope to persuade Mongoose to do a new Sectorbook, unrelated to DOA, sometime in late 2005 or 2006. |
I was younger and perhaps more easily pleased back then, but the Travelogue still holds a special place in my geeky little heart  The sudden news that this publication was a watered-down, unfinished shadow of something deeper and better that might just be released in the future... Whoa.
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| By the way, The Traitor's Manual is indeed quite densely packed. Designer Gareth Hanrahan wrote a bunch of extremely funny text. My wife, Beth Fischi, did a standout job on the layout and graphics. I believe most fans here will be pleased. |
Sounds promising. Thus far the Paranoia XP line has been a textbook example of remaking something and getting it absolutely bang-on. Go Gammas!
(Or possibly Gammae?)
Footnote: retailers - beware of automating your book cataloguing:
http://www.mental-health-matters.com/books/productinfo.php?ASIN=1904854273
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| Adamantyr |
| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:15 pm Post subject: Traitor's manual |
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ORANGE
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Hey, where are our traitor's manuals? Not easy commiting treason on the improv, you know. 
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| Costin-U-MOR-6 |
| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Soon. There are a couple more weeks in October you know. Best go ask at the Mongoose forum because they publish the stuff... Allen has no control... and rarely any insight... except where it counts.
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| Fargmania |
| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:07 am Post subject: |
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My supplier has given me an ETA of 3 weeks for the Traitor's Manual. Better late than never?
For those of you who have ordered the Traitor's Manual individually or as part of a package deal through the shop, I'll be contacting each of you by email with options for getting your stuff.
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