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| Adrain U SCM 8 |
 Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:38 am Post subject: For something so simple |
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| I just wanted to get some info for I game I'm GMing. i didn't want to have to spend weeks on a site to get a tiny bit of info from your wiki which RED clearance don't get access to. Becuase of how you have the site set up it's unless to me. So I guess I'll just have to dig through my books to look up one thing with the IR market. Thank You for wasting my time. |
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| Tara-R-Ist |
| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:37 am Post subject: |
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RED
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First off, your post had horrible grammar. I had to read it multiple times to figure out what you intended to say.
Second off, the paranoia-live site does not own the right to paranoia rules. Posting the game rules would break the law and get the site shut down.
Thirdly, yes the wiki is horribly organized. That is the natural state of most small wikis. Without regular maintenance wikis tend towards chaos. But as it is a wiki I believe you can fix it or shut up.
The wiki is a fan assembled collection of random trivia that individual fans have found interesting. It is not systematic and many things like tables and rules are owned by the copyright holders of the game and thus can not be posted. |
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| Adam-R-LON-1 |
| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Whoa citizen, in the six years I've been here that's the grumpiest first post I've ever seen.
We're quite willing to help with any problems you may have here on the forum, if you post them in the Information Booth, but the Alphapedia wiki is not and never was designed to be a infallible reference or replacement for the main rulebook. In addition the wiki is not restricted to anyone, RED clearance or otherwise, so I don't understand what your problem is. (Were you perhaps referring to the GM Meeting Room, which is? If you were you can apply to view that forum here.)
Now report for termination for being unhappy.
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| Heinrich |
| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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You had plenty of options:
1. Use the search buttons in both the forums and the wiki.
2. Use Google, including using it to search only a specific site (by including "site:paranoia-live.net" in your search terms).
3. Just ask us what you wanted to know.
4. Request access to the GM Meeting Room, as Adam-R already said.
5. (This is the most important one!) Just make something up, since any player who knows the real rule probably isn't stupid enough to call you out on it? If anyone does, notify IntSec.
None of these would take weeks. |
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| Phial |
| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:21 am Post subject: Re: For something so simple |
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| Adrain U SCM 8 wrote: |
| I just wanted to get some info for I game I'm GMing. i didn't want to have to spend weeks on a site to get a tiny bit of info from your wiki which RED clearance don't get access to. Becuase of how you have the site set up it's unless to me. So I guess I'll just have to dig through my books to look up one thing with the IR market. Thank You for wasting my time. |
I see that you mention the period of 'weeks' twice in your post. It was less than 2 hours before your first response. That's a pretty good turn around from a site that is completely fan run and has no external resources.
Our wiki is poorly maintained and the directions for its use are far from optimal. There is a reason for this. People who ask us a question often get a well researched and happily conveyed answer essentially immediately. This makes the wiki not appear on our 'top priority needs' list very often.
'Please do my homework for me'. See the bolded section in my quote of your post. For as long as the internet has been in existence this has been an activity that has been universally mocked. The people who make such requests are inevitably extremely self entitiled about it and place the request as a demand. So let me get it straight: Because you couldn't be arsed looking up something in a book you own you wanted someone else to do it for you and got ticked off when the first time a particular approach you took didn't instantly lead to success. Really? Well Boo Hoo.
Sorry to waste your valuable time by not expending sufficient of our collective worthless time to meet a need that you never told us about in the first place. Please! Sir! May I have another?
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| Tara-R-Ist |
| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:51 am Post subject: |
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RED
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"Oh greetings sir Phail, I mistakenly thought I imagined high levels of sarcasm. I guess I should have an E-Z-DUZ-IT pill.
* takes pill and munches it happily
"Oh since I have them out, may I offer you a fine selection of E-Z-DUZ-IT pills for your perusal?"
* continues to munch her pill to show how they are perfectly safe*
*- excepting well known side effects such as nausea, forgetfulness, rage, ennui, hysteria, dementia, paranoia, and forgetfulness |
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| Max |
| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:56 am Post subject: |
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I beleive that the home page of the foum contains a link to useful newbie info, compiled by 5127, and popped onto the front page by one of those handy UV chaps. Reading the front page and then following the link would probably have provided all the info you needed.
So nice of you to read the front page before mouthing off.
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| Zild |
| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Max |
| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Shame the self proclaimed UV didn't just ask someone on ARC!
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| Heinrich |
| Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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RED
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| Zild wrote: |
| Honestly, the original post was so poorly written I had to check three times for a spam-link before realising it was genuine... |
You should always be tolerant of bad writing on the 'net. Lots of people* don't know English very well, so it's not safe to jump to conclusions. Just ask them for a clarification, no spambot I've ever encountered will be able to give one.
* Most of them native speakers, for some [DFSR] reason. |
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| Zild |
| Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps, but reading (and now re-reading) this particular post, it does sound more like somebody who can speak very good English but just cannot be bothered to proof-read before submitting. Rather reflective of their general character, from what we have seen so far.
Unfortunately you are correct; native speakers are by far the worst culprits, yet they have no excuse.
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| Phial |
| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Lest this becomes a shrine of hate and even more of a dogpile may I speak in defence of the original poster.
We actively encourage all input and participation. I understood the original post well enough to write a reasonably comprehensive response. Had I thought that there was some way to take the post in two ways I would have chosen to go with the more 'happy' or less perjorative sense. If I was unable to decypher it I would have asked for clarification. In one way I don't understand why this is an issue here, as for the purpose of the post the writing was clear enough. Should the poster chose to stay and participate in some of our other activities then we could hope to expect better written output.
I am committed (through gritted teeth if necessary) to listen to all the nos as well as the yesses. If there is any aspect of Paranoia-Live that needs attention, I am your go to clone. Whether I can actually DO diddley about it is another matter. In this context the poor state of the Wiki is well taken. Without a larger poster base that is committed to a Wiki there is diddley I can do about it. What I was more focused on in my initial response was the numerous OTHER ways that the user's needs could have been met.
Also I have to say that the original poster appears to be undermedicated and showing some signs of not being happy. We should all do our utmost to ensure they are made to be happy as soon as possible. Lethal force has been sanctioned in this proud aim.
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| Heinrich |
| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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RED
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@Phial: You are correct. In fact, High Programmers are always correct. Why? Because they say so.
I don't know if I speak for everyone, but I don't mean to pound Adrian.
On the other hand, the least he could do is try to write a comprehensible post and use less antagonising language.
I for one did not understand:
- "from your wiki which RED clearance don't get access to"
(You don't even have to register, right? So what does he mean?)
- what exactly did he want to look up?
I actually agree that the wiki is somewhat disorganised, but I frankly don't know how to fix that. Putting up large sections of the books would be illegal, and putting up our own replacements instead would be
- a lot of work
- inconsistent and confusing, since everyone does things differently
- "not canon", and therefore a magnet for similar rage
Catch-22 in the true Paranoia tradition, eh? |
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